Sunday, October 01, 2023

Proposal: Acca cadabra

Add the following to the end of the rule Betting:

An Acca is a series of bets placed on any number of different Sporting Events that all take place on the same day. A Punter may, at any time, have up to one open Acca, and may place an Acca by sending the Bookie a message containing all of the Bets that it will incorporate, with the details of each bet as per the criteria in this rule, except for a single Stake that covers the entire Acca.

When the Bookie is Cashing Bets, the Bets in an Acca are processed as follows:
* They are resolved in order, from the first Sporting Event in the Form Sheet to the last;
* The Stake for the first Bet is the Stake of the Acca;
* The Stake for each subsequent Bet is the winnings from the previous bet in the Acca, plus the Stake of the previous bet in the Acca, if the previous bet in the Acca was won; otherwise it is 0.

High risk, high reward

Proposal: Back Room BBQ

Add the following sub rule to “The Gamblers” called “The Back Room”

Props are publicly tracked and consist of the following information

* The name of the Punter offering the Prop (the Offer)
* Optionally, the name of the Punter accepting the Prop (The Accept). A Prop without an Accept is considered to be Empty
* The Buy In, which must be a positive integer number of Readies
* The Reward, which must be a positive integer number of Readies which is greater than the Buy In
* The Event, A single, specific Sporting Event (identified by the Sport and the date on which it will occur) in which the Prop was created before the Sporting Event had occurred
* The Outcome, An outcome (from the Potential Outcomes for the Sport of that Sporting Event)

A Punter may at any time Offer a Prop by reducing their Readies selecting the Buy In, Reward, Event, and Outcome and then Reducing their Readies by the Reward—A Punter may perform this action if it would cause their Readies minus the Stakes of any open Bets that Punter to be less than zero.

If the sporting event for an Empty Prop has not yet occurred, A Punter who is not the Offer for that Prop may Accept the Prop, marking themselves as the Accept by transferring the Buy In in Readies from themselves to the Offer for that Buy In - A Punter may perform this action if it would cause their Readies minus the Stakes of any open Bets that Punter to be less than zero.

When making or accepting a Prop, the Punter doing so should privately message the Bookie so that the Bookie may better track that Punters Readies.

After a Sporting Event has occurred, then the Bookie should process each Prop for that sporting event as follows:

- If the Prop has an Accept, and the Outcome of the Sporting Event matches the Outcome of the Prop, then the Accept gets the reward for the Prop in Readies.
- Otherwise the Offer gets the reward for the Prop in Readies.

Story Post: Results Post 1 October

On 1 October, Wild Man Danny Bannister played Rebekka “The Sandman” Dante at Boxing. Rebekka “The Sandman” Dante knocked out Wild Man Danny Bannister in 18 rounds, and thus wins.

Proposal: This One Has Potential

In the subrule “Odds”, replace the text “total of the Track Record of all Participants for this Sport” with this text:

total of the Track Record of all Participants for this Sporting Event

I think this resolves the issue that Josh pointed out in Discord

Proposal: Odds Fixer

In the subrule “Odds”, replace the text “the total of the Track Record of all other Participants for this Sport.” with this text:

the total of the Track Record of all other Participants for this Sporting Event.

and replace the text:

For the Outcome of “Draw”, if it exists

with the text:

For the Outcomes of “Draw” and “All Participants Die”, if either exists

and before the bullet that begins with “Optionally, resolve the ratio” add this bullet:

* For any other Outcome that does have a rule for its Odds already covered by the preceding bullet points and where only one Participant is referenced in that Outcome, set Y for the Odds of that Outcome to that Participant’s Track Record for this Sport and set X for the Odds of that Outcome to 5 plus the total of the Track Record of all other Participants for this Sporting Event.

 

This should address Clucky’s concerns in his comments for More Odds Oddities

Saturday, September 30, 2023

Story Post: Results Post 30 September

On 30 September Carpino played Micheli at Giolitti. The Grand Canal was Devil and Carpino had a pocket of 54 to Micheli’s 37. With the Devil rule in effect, Micheli won. Bucky won 9 Readies and Clucky won 72 Readies from their respective bets.

Friday, September 29, 2023

Proposal: Closed Fist

Enacted 5-0. Josh

Adminned at 01 Oct 2023 10:14:38 UTC

In the rule Sports Resolution, change

It should also state how many Readies each Punter won (if any) from each of those Events

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It should also state which Punters have won Readies as a result of Bets placed on each of those Events

Story Post: Results Post 29 September

On 27th September, Ichneumon Hall played Penanggalan Hall at Nomich. The score was 51-66 and so Penanggalan Hall won.

On 28th September, Ducktank played Hard Hat at BlogBots. Ducktank was knocked out by TKO in turn 16. Hard Hat won. Bucky won 11 Readies and Kevan won 55 Readies from this Event.

On 29th September, The Killing Joke played Hard Hat at Blogbots. The Killing Joke was knocked out by TKO at turn 25. Hard Hat won.

The events on 27 and 28 September were resolved using pre-Dominance rules. the event on 29 September was resolved using a new Resolution method which incorporates Dominance.

Proposal: More Odds Oddities

Enacted popular 4-1. Josh

Adminned at 01 Oct 2023 09:59:06 UTC

In the subrule “Odds”, replace the text “then Odds for all outcomes are the default value, which is 11:10.” with the following text:

then Odds for each Outcome are determined as follows:
* For each Outcome where one Participant wins, set Y for the Odds of that Outcome to that Participant’s Track Record for this Sport and set X for the Odds of that Outcome to 3 plus the total of the Track Record of all other Participants for this Sport.
* For the Outcome of “Draw”, if it exists, set X for the Odds of that Outcome to the total of the Track Record of all Participants for this Sport and set Y to 3.
* Optionally, resolve the ratio of X:Y to the lowest-common-denominator

Any Punter or the Bookie should update the Odds of the Outcomes of a Sporting Event before 00:00 UTC on the day that Sporting Event occurs using the rules for Odds.

Similar proposal to my previous one but with the tweaks that Bucky recommended. I’ve even left Giolitti alone for now.

Thursday, September 28, 2023

Proposal: Double the Pleasure

Timed out and enacted, 4-1. Jpsh

Adminned at 01 Oct 2023 09:51:54 UTC

In “Form Sheet” replace

If at any point the Form Sheet does not show at least one Sporting Event per day up until 13th October 2023 then the Bookie may randomly select a Sporting Event, its Participants (using a Participant Selection method) and its Odds, for each upcoming day without a Sporting Event and add them to the list, until there are Sporting Events scheduled until 13th October 2023.

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Each date has an integer Capacity, which is by default 0 and cannot be higher than the number of Sporting Events. If the Form Sheet shows fewer Sporting Events on a given date than that date’s capacity then the Bookie may randomly select a Sporting Event which is not already currently being held on that date, its Participants (using a Participant Selection method) and its Odds, and add it to the Form Sheet for that date.

Set the Capacity of all dates between Now and October 13th 2023 to be 1.

Then set the Capacity of October 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th 2023 to be 2.
Set the Capacity of October 11th and 12th 2023 to be 3
Set the Capacity of October 13th 2023 to be 5

Proposal: Odds On Favorite

Timed out and failed, 1-3 with an unresolved imperial DEF. Josh

Adminned at 30 Sep 2023 17:59:11 UTC

Update the odds of Nomich to be “Odds: 6-to-5 for outcomes where a Participant wins, and 4-to-1 for a Draw”

Update the odds of ClingBoom to be “Odds: 24-to-5 for outcomes where a Participant wins. 15-3 for All Participants die”

Update the odds of Blogbots to be “Odds: 3-to-1 for outcomes where a Participant wins. 4-to-1 for outcome where Participant Wins in Sudden Death. 5-to-1 for All Participants Trashed”

Update the odds of Boxing to be “Odds: 6-to-5 for outcomes where a Participant wins, and 4-to-1 for a Draw”

Apply these updated odds to all future events that are scheduled more than 24 hours from the time this proposal passes to reflect these new odds.

A lot of the odds are currently not really favorable to bet on. I think this should hopefully make every bet a net favorable EV which we kinda want to encourage dynastic gameplay without overly complicating things

Please leave voting open for a bit so people can suggest updated odds.

Proposal: Formula 1, Formula 2, etc.

Withdrawn. Failed by JonathanDark.

Adminned at 29 Sep 2023 23:56:04 UTC

In the subrule “Sports Resolution” add the following text:

If the Method of Resolution of a Sport is a Secret Element, the Bookie should secretly create and track one or more mathematical formulas as the Method of Resolution to determine the Outcome of a Sporting Event for that Sport. Each such formula should use at least one of the following as inputs:
* The Public Qualities (if any) of the Participants in the Sporting Event
* The Private Qualities (if any) of the Participants in the Sporting Event
* The Dominance (if it exists) of the Participants in the Sporting Event
* One or more privately-tracked variables, each with a type and valid ranges determined by the Bookie when creating the Method of Resolution for that Sport. The values of these variables are secretly-randomly selected by the Bookie during each resolution of a Sporting Event for that Sport.

If any Sport has an existing Method of Resolution that is a Secret Element but is not a set of formulas as described above, the Bookie should replace that Method of Resolution with said formulas.

In the subrule “Nomich” add the following bullet before the bullet “Secret Element”:

* Public Quality: Scores for Sleight of Hand and Intimidation, each of which must be between 1 and 12.

In the subrule “ClingBoom” add the following bullet before the bullet “Secret Element”:

* Public Quality: Scores for Hit Points and Shields, each of which must be between 1 and 4.

In the subrule “Giolitti” add the following bullet before the bullet “Secret Element”:

* Public Quality: Scores for Popolare, Ingannevole, and Rabbia, each of which must be between 1 and 10.

In the subrule “Boxing” add the following bullet before the bullet “Secret Element”:

* Public Quality: Scores for Strength, Stamina, and Speed, each of which must be between 1 and 6.

In the subrule “Blogbots” replace the bullet beginning with “* Private Quality” with this bullet:

* Private Quality: A Botscript, which is a list of three numbers, each of which must be between 1 and 4, and which may be repeated in the list.

Remove all Track Record values for all Participants of every Sport.

 

I added removing all of the Track Record values because the Participants’ Track Records are going to change significantly if this is enacted, so they should be regenerated.

I also deliberately left Meddling alone for a separate Proposal.

This also includes Josh’s proposed Dominance, with wording that simply allows its use if it exists.

Proposal: Test Your Meddle

Enacted popular, 4-1. Josh

Adminned at 29 Sep 2023 09:02:19 UTC

Add the following to the end of the paragraph that begins “Sport Participants may have qualities”:

Every Potential Participant in every Sport has a score for Dominance, which most be a positive integer and which is privately tracked by the Bookie. The Bookie is encouraged to ensure that the Resolution Methods for all Sports incorporate the Dominance of the Participants, such that the Participant with the higher Dominance is favoured. Before generating the result of any Sporting Event, the Bookie should generate a Dominance for every Potential Participant of every Sport, by taking their Track Reord, randomly increasing or decreasing it by either 0 or 1 and setting that value as their Dominance, and then deleting this sentence from the ruleset. Before generating the result of any Sporting Event the Bookie should update the Resolution Methods of each Sport to incorporate Dominance as directed in this rule and then delete this sentence from the ruleset.

Add the following to the end of the rule Meddling:

All Sports are considered to have the following Meddlings:

Dose: Temporarily increase the Dominance of the chosen Participant by 1 for the named Sporting Event.
Dope: Temporarily decrease the Dominance of the chosen Participant by 1 for the named Sporting Event.

Wednesday, September 27, 2023

Proposal: Bet Limit

Enacted popular, 5-0. Josh

Adminned at 29 Sep 2023 09:01:13 UTC

In the rule “Betting”, change

A Stake (which must be a positive quantity of Readies that is not greater than the amount of Readies that Punter has, minus the Stakes of any other open Bets that Punter has)

to

A Stake (which must be a positive quantity of Readies that is not greater than the amount of Readies that Punter has, minus the Stakes of any other open Bets that Punter has, and cannot exceed 100)

This keeps a temporary exploit from getting exponentially out of hand.

Proposal: Mary’s Scarf

Enacted Popular, 4-1. Josh

Adminned at 29 Sep 2023 08:59:58 UTC

Add a Meddling to Boxing:-

* Meddling (Dive): The Participant loses the Match (unless both Participants were Meddled to Dive, in which case the Match is a Draw).

Straight reproposal of Mary’s Toaster now that being caught Meddling also takes away your winnings.

Proposal: Oddities of Odds

Withdrawn. Josh

Adminned at 29 Sep 2023 08:59:21 UTC

In the subrule “Giolitti” remove the bullet point beginning with “Odds”.

In the subrule “Odds”, replace the text “then Odds for all outcomes are the default value, which is 11:10.” with the following text:

then Odds for each Outcome are determined as follows:
* Determine the highest value of Track Record among all of the Participants for this Sporting Event, and set X for the Odds of every Outcome to this value except for “Draw”, if it exists.
* For each Outcome where one Participant wins, set Y for the Odds of that Outcome to the Track Record of that Participant for this Sport, to a minimum of 1.
* For the Outcome of “Draw”, set X for the Odds of that Outcome to the highest value of Track Record among all of the Participants, then subtract the Track Record of each remaining Participant from X, to a minimum value of 1 for X, and set Y to 1.

Any Punter or the Bookie should update the Odds of the Outcomes of a Sporting Event before 00:00 UTC on the day that Sporting Event occurs using the rules for Odds.

This isn’t a perfectly-accurate way of calculating Odds, but it might be close enough without being horribly complicated. It should be spreadsheet-friendly.

We could consider merging this with Track Ratio at some point, if it makes sense. I didn’t want to make any dependencies on it just yet.

Proposal: Misc fixes

Timed out and enacted, 4-1. Josh

Adminned at 29 Sep 2023 08:57:51 UTC

If Proposal: This Time Next Year We’ll Be Millionaires was enacted, in the rule A Good Day At The Races, after ‘at their first opportunity’, add:

Liquidate all Goods belonging to all Punters and then

Uphold that the Methods of Resolution held by the Bookie for all Sports are correct.

Wednesday, September 27, 2023

Proposal: Track Ratio

Withdrawn. Failed by JonathanDark.

Adminned at 29 Sep 2023 05:51:01 UTC

In the rule “Sporting Events, change

To initialise a Participant’s Track Record, the Bookie should generate 10 dummy Sporting Events that involve that Participant, and set their Track Record to the number of times in that 10 Sporting Event streak they won. Thereafter, each Participant’s Track Record is increased by 1 every time they win a Sporting Event.


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A Track Record consists of two numbers separated by a “/”, the first representing a number of Wins and the second representing a number of Matches. To initialise a Participant’s Track Record, the Bookie should generate 10 dummy Sporting Events that involve that Participant, set their Track Record’s wins to the number of times in that 10 Sporting Event streak they won, and set their Track Record’s Matches to 10. Thereafter, each Participant’s Track Record’s Matches is increased by 1 every time they participate a Sporting Event and their Wins is increase by 1 every time they win a Sporting Event.

Set each Participant’s Track Record’s Wins to their prior Track Record. Set each Participant’s Track Record’s Matches to 10 plus the number of Sporting Events they have participated in since 1:00 AM on September 22nd.

Story Post: Results Post 26 September

On September 25th a Clingboom match took place. The traps triggered were Acid, Acid, Cheesecutter, Acid, Acid. Acid Yoda won.

On September 26th a Gilitti match took place. Micheli’s Pocket contained 0, 12, 7, 9, 5, 1, 4. Di Fieri’s Pocket contained 11, 3, 6, 8, 10, 13, 2. The Grand Canal was Star. Micheli won.

Proposal: This Time Next Year We’ll Be Millionaires

Enacted 5-0. Josh

Adminned at 28 Sep 2023 09:15:43 UTC

Add a new rule to the dynastic ruleset, called Conspicuous Consumption, with the following text:

A Punter’s Float is equal to their Readies minus 100, to a minimum of zero. Each Punter has a Lockup, which is publicly tracked and defaults to empty.

Goods are items that a Punter can have in their Lockup; each Good, their associated Purchase Cost, and their associated Purchase Threshold are listed below:

{| class="wikitable"
|+ Goods
|-
! Name !! Purchase Cost !! Purchase Threshold
|-
| Steak Dinner || 10 || 25
|-
| Knock-off Rolex || 20 || 40
|-
| Sheepskin Coat || 40 || 65
| -
| Motor || 75 || 100
|-
| Real Rolex || 110 || 140
|-
| Take the Family to Marbella || 150 || 200
|-
| Actually East London's getting a bit rough for us, we're thinking of moving to Essex || 200 || 250
|}

Flashing is an atomic action that the Bookie can perform at any time and should perform whenever any Punter has an amount of Float that meets or exceeds the Purchase Threshold for a Goods that they don’t already have; it has the following steps:
* For each Punter, on their behalf, purchase (using Readies to spend the Purchase Cost) the cheapest Goods that they don’t already own whose Purchase Threshold their Float meets or exceeds;
* Repeat the previous step until no Punter has a Float that meets or exceeds the Purchase Threshold of any Good that they do not already own.

If Proposal: UBI was enacted then in the above rule change ‘their Readies minus 100’ to ‘their Readies minus the Buy In’.

Add a new subrule to that rule, called Liquidation:

At any time, a Punter may remove a Goods from their Lockup and send the Bookie a direct message indicating that they have done so. When the Bookie receives such a message they should increase the Readies of that Punter by the Cost of those Goods. The Bookie may Liquidate a Punter’s cheapest Goods on their behalf if it is necessary in order to service the payment of a Bet.

A visible score indication.

Unidle Snisbo

Please :)

Proposal: Eyes on the Prize

Unpopular, 2-4. Josh

Adminned at 28 Sep 2023 09:14:50 UTC

Add the following to “A Good Day At The Races”

If it is, or is after, Saturday the 30th of September 2023 then once the Bookie should, at their first opportunity, make a post disclosing the currently Readies held by each Punter (but not their names), rounded to the nearest 10 (rounding results ending 5 or higher up and 4 or lower down). This process should again be completed once if it is, or is after, Saturday the 7th of October 2023.

Seems to be useful to give people a general idea of how far back they are

Proposal: UBI

Cannot be popular, with three votes AGAINST and two unresolved DEFs. Josh

Adminned at 28 Sep 2023 09:10:25 UTC

Add the following to “The Gamblers”

The Buy In initially 100. Its value is publicly tracked. At the start of each Saturday, the Buy In is first increased by 50 and then each Punter receives the Buy In in Readies.

in the same rule replace “and defaults to 100” with

and defaults to the Buy In

Call for Judgment: Bye Week

Fewer than a quorum not voting AGAINST. Failed 0 votes to 3 by Kevan.

Adminned at 26 Sep 2023 18:16:50 UTC

Postpone the date of each upcoming scheduled Sporting Event by three days.

It was worth a shot

Idling myself.  BlogNomic is now Dormant.

Tuesday, September 26, 2023

Proposal: Nomich plus Nomic

Fewer than a quorum not voting AGAINST. Failed 3 votes to 3 by Kevan.

Adminned at 27 Sep 2023 08:13:47 UTC

Add the following text to the end of the rule “Nomich”:

Unlike the other games, Nomich’s resolution procedure changes over time. After each match of Nomich that did not end in a Draw, the Bookie can and should secretly add one sentence to the procedure for scoring a Nomich play.

Proposal: Let Josh Have His Fun

Fails self-killed. -Bucky

Adminned at 27 Sep 2023 02:43:06 UTC

Add subrule called “Highlights” to the rule “Sports Resolution” and give it the following text:

A Results Post may include a sequence of Highlights for each of its Sporting Events, which are embellished but not deliberately misleading descriptions of occurrences during the Sporting Event’s resolution procedure.

Proposal: Fine Print

Popular by Quorum, 4-0. -Bucky

Adminned at 27 Sep 2023 02:42:10 UTC

In “Accusations”, after “If it is true, the Accused Punter is fined 20 Readies for tampering with a sporting fixture” add:-

; if the Accused Punter gained any Readies from Cashed Bets on that Event, they are also fined that amount of Readies

A punter caught successfully tampering with the outcome of an event should probably also forfeit their winnings from it.